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| Maximus76 wrote: | My friend who is playing a tournament in an big indoor hall in Berlin today just called me. SWAT teams just stormed the paintball hall and right now over 100 paintballers are trapped inside. The police are checking all their guns and the ones that can be adjusted over 220fps (something ) will be taken and destroyed. Might even be some arrests!!!
What kind of country would do this to people who only are out to have fun. Not hurt anyone or do any damage.
The police should be focusing on catching drug dealers, killers and crazy mob people instead.
Germany = free country??? Don´t think so!!!
This whole thing has been filmed and will come up on you tube later on this thread.
Thanks for your time.
Maximus Lundqvist
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Paikalla olleen duman kertomus tapahtuneesta:
| The Kurgan wrote: | Hi everyone,
so here's what happend,
I was one of the marshalls at the tournament.
Right after the second game had started, 20 or so, policemen entered the field (while the game was still on ), ordering everbody to lay their guns down, ending the tournament right away.
Someone (we don't know who, at this point) told the police, that there will be a paintball event taking place, where they will probably find some guns which are shooting too fast regarding law regulations:
In germany it's 214 fps max. and Ramping is not allowed.
("One Pull, one Shot").
The problem is that nobody ever gave a damn about those laws when playing tournys, cause no one expected a raid like this ever to happen.
Even in the big leagues like Millenium Series, etc. all the teams played with the standart ramping and 300 fps. max.
So the cops took people's ID's and confiscated nearly 60 guns, taking them away for further checking.
The whole thing was videotaped by some people, so I'm sure it'll be online in time.
We'll lets see what happens next.
Cheers to Maximus for the quick posting! |
Paikalla olleen pelaajan kertomus:
| TBHberlin wrote: | Ok finally home... That was F'ing nuts!!
I got lots of video and it's gonna take a bit of time to go through it and post it all up on youtube, some other guys got lots of video also and I am talking with them to get it posted up asap. It has interviews with people there and we will be putting English subtitles on the vids for everyone.
We were the first team to play, thankfully the cops had not raided the hall yet and we got to finish.
The next team was up and while we were filling pods I got pushed out of the way by cops in full Riot gear, they stormed onto the field (while the game was on) with their raid face sheilds turned up... Was a miracle that none of them got shot in the face on the field...
Game was stopped and nearly 4 hours of just the most insane **** ever ensued.
From what the Police said there was an "anonymous" tip made a few weeks before, letting them know that there would be a tournament where illegal markers would be used. From what a police rep said, they planned for this raid for the past 3 weeks, even sending undercover officers into the paintball hall days before todays raid...
What most people think is that somebody that had a personal grudge against the owners of the Hall did this to basically just cause grief... Because if they would have showed up to any paintball shop or any paintball field in the country it would have been the same result as what happened today.
Everybody's markers were seized (except my buddy's only because he has diplomatic immunity) .. My BobLong Victory = Gone... ;(
They informed us that any marker that has an adjustable reg is technically "illegal", even if your marker was shooting 190fps "but it could" be adjusted over 214 ... Then it's illegal ....
While the cops were there they locked us all down, we could not leave. They pulled everybody's ID's and were even searching through peoples private property and shaking down those attending.
We could talk to eachother and make calls but that was about it. I called Maximus and told him to let everyone know what was going on because this type of thing is not really normal for Germany. And from allot of what people were saying is the first time something this massive ever happened.
I have been living over here for almost 11 years and never seen something like this with paintball... Coming from the states and seeing this was like being on another F'ing planet!
I felt like I just got raided at a chop shop... Not a "LEGAL" paintball tournament in a "legal" paintball hall ..
This could have serious implications for the future of German paintball, because technically what happened today will affect every paintball player in Germany. Because all markers have adjustable regs, that is even how they are when they get the state approval for F-stamp.... But the right hand does not know what the left hand is doing in German law.
After today, any shop any player any owner of a paintball marker in Germany will have to worry that your marker is technically considered "illegal' now, even with F-stamp and shooting under 214fps.
Unless you superglue or weld your HPA screw in place and hope during hot weather your marker does not start shooting a bit over 214...
What's the end story? ... For now, it's over 10 teams markers are gone, I dont think any of them will come back to the owners.
I think most everyone (with maybe a few exceptions) will get charged with possession of an illegal firearm and I dont know what the fine is but it could be well over €2000,00 Euro per person.
It is going to make playing very difficult, now every hall/field could be raided and any marker you use would be illegal...
Once I get some vid up I will post the link... |
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Kannattaa seurata tuota keskustelua koska sinne varmaankin ilmestyvät linkit videoihin jotka on kuvattu paikanpäältä.
On kyllä todella käsittämätöntä touhua! Olen sanaton..
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 00:15:03 Post subject: |
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Aivan järjetöntä!
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 16:47:49 Post subject: |
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Järisyttävää. ärrinmurrin...
Saksa ei kovin kaukana edes ole, joten saas nähdä kuinka nopeasti esimerkki tarttuu Suomen päättäjiin. Ei siitä kovin kauaa ole kun ilma-aseita koskevaa lakimuutosta alettiin väsäämään.
http://www.aselaki.info/
Näyttää taas satavan paskaa
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| istuallaan wrote: | Järisyttävää. ärrinmurrin...
Saksa ei kovin kaukana edes ole, joten saas nähdä kuinka nopeasti esimerkki tarttuu Suomen päättäjiin. Ei siitä kovin kauaa ole kun ilma-aseita koskevaa lakimuutosta alettiin väsäämään.
http://www.aselaki.info/
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Tuo ilma-ase homma oli ja meni.. liitto hoiti hommansa eikä tuo laki kosketa meitä enää mitenkään.. tai siis ainakaan tällähetkellä. Sitähän ei tiedä että mitä ne tulevaisuudessa keksii.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 21:58:46 Post subject: |
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| Saksa on paska maa. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 16:23:59 Post subject: |
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Sen kaverin youtube tili katosi, joka yritti ladata videoa tapahtuneesta nettiin.
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Rajis
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| Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 19:52:41 Post subject: |
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Ne kasailevat kimpassa videota niistä materiaaleista mitä on. Eli eiköhän ne lataile sitä sit vähä joka tuubiin.
Aikoivat tehä sellaisen asiallisen videon minkä pystyy laittaman myös lehdistölle.. ja tulee tekstitykset englanniksi.
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